Is Bobby V The Greatest Scape Goat Of All Time?
The Red Sox are in absolute free fall. 4-10 this season. Lost their last 5. Blowing 9 run leads like it ain’t no thing. Youk’s feelings have been hurt. They’ve been outscored by 25 runs which is worst in the majors. John Lackey is fat. And on and on it goes. Complete and utter chaos.
Now as far as I can tell the object of most fans scorn is Bobby Valentine. Fans just booing him everytime he shows his face. People blaming him for everying that goes wrong. People sending back wrap sandwiches as local deli’s and blaming it on Bobby. People clamoring for Tito to come back. I got to be honest. I don’t get it. Of all the people to blame for this debacle he is literally last on my list. I mean he took over a team that was in complete and utter disarray. A team that has gone 10-30 in their last 40 games dating back to last season. A team that suffered the worst collapse in the history of baseball. A team that decided not to resign Papelbon. A team whose long time GM and manager both bolted town rather than deal with this debacle.
All of these problems existed before Bobby V showed up and that’s before Ellsbury got injured. The guy has only been here for a cup of coffee. He literally has nothing to do with the problems in my opinion. To be honest I don’t know what the problems are. You look at this roster top to bottom and we should be very good but we’re not. Sure the bullpen has sucked, but it’s more than that. There is just a stink about them. The stench from last season’s debacle is still fresh. This particular group of guys are just soft as marshmellows. It was that way before Bobby V arrived and it’s still that way. It has nothing to do with him.
the fans at fenway are fucking retarded it makes me sick. they should be booing every player every second of the game, but for some reason want to blame last year on Bobby V.
If you’re booing Bobby V then you just dont know shit.
Booing Bobby V makes no sense at all. Those boos should be directed at the front office, they knew their holes coming into the season and didn’t do dick to fill them. We have no short stop, we didn’t get any starting pitching, and we replaced Papelbon with Mark “Moonshot” Melancon. I miss the days when the Sox were priority #1 for the Fenway Sports Group.
Agree 100%. Problem with the team is their 2 best OFs are out. I also think Gonzalez is a player who doesn’t play up to his numbers, if that makes any sense. Like Pedroia gives you more than his numbers in hustle and big hits, Gonzalez gives you less. Add in that I think Youk may be done (he’s been slowly ticking down the last couple years) and there’s your problem. Unfortuantely there may not be a fix. This is the absolute worst situation for Crawford to come back to (heat will be on him BIG TIME) and Ellsbury is out for a long time.
The perception of a lot of fans is that the problem with this team is bad chemistry. Fair or not fostering good chemistry is a HUGE part of the job of the modern MLB manager. You can call the players whiny, lazy, soft, entitled brats and you would be absolutely right but that doesn’t change the fact that its the job of the manager to get the most out of the players. If the players hate you and hate coming to work every day you have failed as a manager.
fully agree with you, jew. Spot on here. Nat media is retarded too. fuck this team, fuck our fans and fuck that faggot john henry.
I got no dog in this fight, but from an outsider’s perspective Bobby Valentine is a fucking terrible manager and person. He sucked as a broadcaster too. @yaz8 hit it right on the nose, if the team isn’t having fun and isn’t playing well together then it doesn’t matter the talent on the roster. He sucks donkey dick.
I’ll bet the people booing the loudest are the “die hahd” fans who bought memberships in “official” Red Sox Nation. Anyone who paid for that should be sterilized.
^^ Yaz, in fairness to the front office, SS has played very well and the Paps replacement was Bailey, who got hurt. Epstein left this team high and dry with shit in the minors and the bloated contracts of Lackey, Crawford, and to a degree Gonzalez.
^ I love the fact that I’m not 100% convinved that’s not really Darius Butler commenting.
You should give a shout out to Nick Cafardo from the Globe… this seems quite a bit like his article today.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2012/04/23/red_sox_players_arent_catching_much_flak___and_they_should/?p1=Well_Sports_links
Attitude and the Tone an organization has starts from the top down. This ownership group is spineless money loving starf*ckers. Getting rid of tito was like removing the last respectable piece of the org. Now we have a team that has no respect for its coach, a gm who they didn’t come in under and an ownership group that they must laugh at. They have fat contracts and NO team unity or pride in the organization to play for.
It ain’t Valentine’s fault, not yet anyway. The front office sucks, Cherrington didn’t do anything to reinforce the bullpen, in fact he weakened it.
And it’s time for the front office fuckos to STOP playing sweet caroline when the sox are losing, fuck the pink hat bandwagon feel good fans, fuck’em in the ear. Fenway used to be a tough place for an opposing team to play (especially the MFY), it used to be full of diehard’s who only cheered when the sox won, now the front office facilitates and caters to a bunch of touristy-douche fans who go to a game for “the fenway expierance” and could give 2 shits about winning as, long as they get to sing sweet caroline in the 8th inning.
I agree with @yaz8, but I will say sometimes a team’s hatred for a manager can band them together. My college coach used to say “You can play for me or in spite of me as long as you play.”
I have no problem with people booing him because he is a horrible manager. Why all of the baseball guys suck his dick is beyond me. He’s never managed a first place team and from what I can tell now, doesn’t know a thing about baseball. He’s also supposed to be this big personality that was supposed to straighten out the clubhouse and all he looks like after the first few weeks is a meek, doddering fool. Have some balls Bobby! I love Pedroia but don’t let one of your players bitchslap you like that in the media. You’re the manager, now act like it!
you see Bobby V’s body language? guy is a lost cause. The players are to blame just as much but you cant replace them all so manager has to go. How about getting angry Bobby V? call out everyone in that dugout and get in their faces. They all look dead!
i dont blame bobby V for whats going on with this team now. but they guy is a douche and a shitty manager and i dont want him in Boston. he may not be the direct cause of the sox horrible start but he sure has shit hasnt done anything to fix it
drunkenmasshole that tito comment is such bullshit. every fan wanted him gone and now at the start of this new year everyone wants him back. the new contingent of red sox fans that started watching in 04 are fucking retarded and make the fanbase look bad
Ownership are a bunch of toolbags as well. They could give two shits about the team on the field. Theo put together quite a roster before he jetted for Chi-town.
I think you’re missing the point Pres. Since the fans can’t boo Henry, Lucky and the Dentist (directly) they’re gonna boo their sacred cow. Who in this case is Bobby V. I agree he hasn’t done much to affect W/L but he’s a smug, loud, arrogant fuck which makes him target #1.
Yeah it’s Bobby Vs fault, because if Tito had brought Aceves into the game he wouldn’t have given up 2 hits, 4 walks & 5 runs to the 6 batters he faced on Saturday. This team had their ass wiped for them when Tito was here, now when the manager questions them they turn into whiney little cunts. Bunch of weak minded bitches on the 2012 Sox.
and if bobby v did yell at the players to attempt to have that stop playing like a bunch of queers, they’d all bitch and moan and try even less, dwight howard style.
this team is filled with fucking losers, just like the fenway faithful
They signed bobby V because he is a personality and a media whore, not too bring unity to the clubhouse or to change the teams attitude…He is a joke who belongs managing in Japan or the Mets, same idea. But the Red Sox owners don’t care to bring in a real manager, Cherington wanted Swane I believe… they just want the big name..
The guy has more commercials on TV and media appearances in NY than his team has wins right now. F him.
Our “closer” has an ERA of 24.0 and a whip of 3.33.
I disagree everyone wanted tito gone, guys like lackey and beckett caught more shit than Tito..Tito got thrown under the bus by upper mngmnt when they started leaking shit to the papers about his personal life.
@breezy, “Fix it?” With what? He cant physically make the pitchers throw strikes or get base hits with men on base. A manager can only send the players out there to do their job and right now they’re not doing their job.
and im not calling for him back, but he was a genuine respected baseball guy, not like valentine who is a clown
well Bard will be in the pen today so I guess all is well? fffffffffffffff
Debacle.
im taking a bath on my season tickets
All a Yankee fan like myself can do is sit back and smile. I hate bobby v but this isn’t his fault. He’s the whipping boy for the horrendous moves by front office last year. Thank GOD we stayed away from Crawford.
El Pres is Nick Cafardo….Nick Cafardo is El Pres…
How many MILLIONS on the DL right now + the position player MVP last year? Not Bobby’s fault – it’s the shitty attitude of the fat lazy players who don’t give a FUCK about winning. I don’t like Bobby for this team – he’s ok – but not for this team. The one eyed bandit fucked up royally by trying to bring in a wild-card like Bobby V— Sox have become the Yankees – buying everything they can afford just throwing it out there. And when they’re “done” spending: whatever, we’ll figure out innings 6-9 every night. No Paps, Bard in rotation, no big deal. It’s 100% on Lucchino. I don’t think Cherrington wanted the team this way, he sure as fuck didn’t want this manager.
@otwisted – i was unaware the manager’s job in the MLB was simply to roll out a line-up card and make a handful of pitching changes during the game then head home for meatloaf. here i am thinking this guy is getting paid a couple mil to actually do something to try and get the best out of the $180mil in baseball talent on his roster (yes i know a good chunk of that payroll is DL’n right now). again, im not putting the blame solely on him, its mostly the players just sucking. but bobby hasnt done jack shit to shake things up or get this team to gel in any way. wheres this great baseball mind we’ve all heard so much about?
Guys wtf. Can we cool down with the nonstop Sox jabber please. How about some Celts coverage? U know the team starting a playoff run this week? Order of Sports now: Bruins, Celts, Sox. But no everything around here must revolve around the Red Sox. Plenty of time to watch this depressing team after hockey and bball playoffs.
@mikeylikesit where did you think elpres got his material from?
OMGEEEE a FUCKING SPORTS BLOG, the world must be coming to an end in 2012…
@breezy, how do you know he hasn’t tried to shake things up? Calling out Youk for being a cunt seems like shaking things up. He wanted Bard in the Pen but upper management said “nope, Bard is a starter” I’m not a Bobby V apologist, I never wanted him here to begin with but I’m not sure how you want him to shake things up.
Agreed. My personal opinion of Bobby V is still forming but I certainly don’t blame him for any of this at all.
I don’t mind Bobby V, but you need to be winning before you can start running your mouth, otherwise you just become Rex Ryan.
That said, this team is a bunch of children. Tito felt like he shouldn’t have to baby sit grown men, and they got away from him. So now they’ve hired a babysitter and the kids are rebelling. It would be fine if there were 1 or 2 prima donnas, but there are like 20. This team has all the talent, but they are fucked until they thin the herd.
I going to have to disagree, sitting at fenway while they blew a 9 run lead and watching that piece of shit come out of the dugout smirking like an old retard and making every wrong decision out of the bullpen..i blame bobby
because you’re a fucking retard pink hate piece of shit dansin
I definitly don’t blame bobby v. He’s a smug dickhead but that’s got nothing to do with who is on this team or how they play. The only person I blame is the front office and more specifically theo epstein. That fuckhead singlehandedly set the red sox franchise back by 3-4 years with his horrible decisions and signings.
I don’t get why everyone is bashing the guy 14 games in. He’s not a great manager, we know that. He’s simply the bridge from Tito to the next manager. However, he is the visible extension to the goons in the front office and bears the brunt of the fans when they suffer the most embarrasing franchise loss ever. Whether they are up by 9 or down by 6, our batters always pack it up for the day. Felix pitches the best game of his career and our laughable bullpen shits all over him. IT is beyond comprehension that our owners and GM decided to let Paps go and let Bard and his agent tell them he is going to become a starter within the same year. Thank God for the B’s right now.
“retard pink hate” very wise..and yea dont blame the “manager” for how a team is “managed” thats crazy talk..bard in the rotation is easily responsible for 4 losses, sure the team is to blame for some games, but bobby is also to blame for stupid decisions
bahah wow dansin, cant even argue with that statement its so incredibly retarded. please inform all of us at the right decisions that should of been made.
i cant understand how faggots like dansin exist. like how do you blame horrendous pitching on a guy sitting in the dugout. you know youre a fuckin joke when you have even more retarded opinions than portnoy
I sat at Fenway and watched them lose on the 100th Anniversary and you don’t see me blaming Bobby V. Guys a prick, this entire organization sucks. No wonder Varitek is acting like such a dick lately I’d want to get the hell away from that organization too if I was him. You can’t blame Bobby V, I certainly don’t like him though and part of me is wondering if his smug attitude is only fueling the fire at this point. The best part of that game was the opening ceremony and pre game when all the greats came back (btw what was with that opening “toast”). This teams needs to be wiped out and restarted, until them I’m going to continue going to games only because they’re cheap and I love their over priced franks.
@otwisted – i dont really know either. like i said before this is mostly on the players but bobby v has done nothing to make this situation any better. im not putting this bad start on him but he is yet to show sox fans he has any idea what he’s doing or is capable of turning a team full of very talented dickheads into even a slightly competitive team
I like boobze comment “He’s simply the bridge from Tito to the next manager.” Spot on.
heres a decision, aceves isnt a closer, and when u have a bullpen with nobody who can get outs, bard shouldnt be a starter…prez has an opinion and all of u guys agree, haha with the only response being..this guy with his own thoughts must be a faggot…hilarious go suck a bag of dicks
Red Sawks fans are fucking idiots. They are almost as pathetic as Cubs fans.
by dansin on April 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm
sure the team is to blame for some games
bahahah alright little kid, run along. i cant even think of an insult this comment is so fuckin dumb
if noboy can blame a manager at all, i guess theres really no point to having one at all…ohhh its so obvious now
@breezy, I think the players have tuned im out and have done so since spring training. Whatever motivational tool he has used they just turn their backs on him. Same for the fans. when this team was equally as bad last September nobody blamed Tito, but now with arguably a worse team its Valentine’s fault. I haven’t seen him make any moves vastly different than Tito would have made outside of the bullpen but thats cause Tito had Bard & Pap to close out games.
I hate their roster flat out. Just a bunch of unlikeable players besides pedroia. Back in the day they had Trot who was just an absolute dirt dog. Kevin Millar all though his antics might have bothered some people with his cowboy up shit he was still a grinder on the field and kept the club house loose. Johnny Damon another guy who was well liked and a hard competitor. Not to mention Pedro Martinez at the top of the rotation who not only as the best pitcher of this era but also was a good club house guy. Add in Ortiz and some others and it was a great mix of guys who wanted to play baseball. Even when they didn’t win the world series atleast I could watch the games and root for them. Now it’s just hard to even sit through a game with these pussies like Beckett, Youk and Crawford. This might sound ridiculous but I’d rather lose with a group of likable players who actually want to be there then win with this payroll of bitches. Oh wait the payroll of bitches doesn’t win either so ya I’d rather lose with the other guys.
Valentine deserves some blame, but all the players do. I’m still waiting for God boy Adrian to make an impact. His numbers are just like ARod’s: empty
And one more thing that is destroying the Red Sox brand is all the pink hat fans who think they know baseball and the team and it’s embarrassing. Bring me back the days where people in the stands knew what the hell to actually cheer for and what to boo for. Is Bobby V the one throwing cock shots down the plate and letting up all the runs? He’s putting in the pitchers he has been given and they all suck. Fire the fucking roster and start over. At least the Yankees win and never shit the bed in September with their payroll. Which is another thing that pisses me off. How can you have a heated rivalry with a team when one of the teams has players who don’t give a fuck about playing
here’s a small list of things the sox need to iron out. once they work out this tiny list of kinks.. they should be rockin!!!!!!! sweeeeeeeeeeeet caroline!
there are many head scratchers that bobby v is accountable for. leaving bard out there too long…in april…on his 2nd mlb start, is one of them. but………
saltalamacchia’s start sucks. the fact that repko “was” even on the red sox sucks. and who made the choice to call up lars anderson over ryan lavarnway? wasnt lavarnway batting 5th for the sox in a playoff hunt last september? he did well, too.
aceves pouting because he’s not starting. youkilis being fat, old and brittle. beckett and bucholz giving up 5hr games. lester’s 2 inning start against the rangers.
bobby v calling out youk. pedrioa saying “maybe thats how they do it in japan”. adrian gonalez wishing we didnt play so many sunday night primetime games.
fuckin melancon is a joke. bailey has miss 150 games in 3 years. crawford waiting to get surgery until right before training camp. lackey overpaid because there was no one else in free agency to lob a shitload of dough at. ellsbury being hurt. who the fuck is ryan sweeney? bobby v wasnt even allowed to choose his own bench coach because they feel bogar is the man of the future… which means everything is being puppetted through lucchino.
scutaro let go because of his HUGE contract. papelbon gone. let’s see. what else?
i love the red sox, but i hate this team.
This team is made up mainly of douches. No hate for Bobby V but they need to bring Dick Williams back from the grave. That dude was a major hardo.
when you know your pen stinks and is already over used and Felix Doubront is shutting down the yankees and you decise to pull him after throwing less than 100 pitches is the MANAGERS fault. Yes the pitching stinks but the train of events leading up to the debacle is very much Valentines fault.
this team needs a spark, too bad the players that can provide it are playing in my home town of Patucket, RI in Lavarnway and Middlebrooks.
I feel bad for Bobby. Dude does not deserve to be viciously booed every time he steps on the field. I can’t stand that he’s a media whore and miss the way Tito used to play things close to the vest, but this debacle is not his fault. It’s been said here a million times, a manager can’t make his players perform
Do you guys really want to show how pissed you are about the team? THEN DONT GO TO THE GAMES AND DONT WATCH! That is the ONLY way to make them realize. Make the “sellout streak” come to a complete halt, dont watch NESN, and for the love of God do not buy a brick or a blank white hat for $40. They dont have to cater to us actual fans anymore, because the CASUAL fans are the ones making them money. They play Sweet Caroline, because the Park is filled with Pink Hats who only go just to sing it.
IF YOU WANT THEM TO START CARING MORE ABOUT THE TEAM THEN STOP FOLLOWING THEM COMPLETELY!!! THEYRE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR DIE HARD LOYALTY!
Nail meet head, not often do I think pres nails it on sports related matters but he did here. It’s not bobby’s fault every single arm on this team has sucked with the exception of Doubront. http://www.thealttab.com/2012/04/red-sox-fans-pulse-check-full-fledged.html
No one should be booing Bobby V, fuck the Red Sox, over paid fucking cry babies. They are the reason why Francona is gone, Arguably the greatest coach this origination has seen in quite some time. We need a coach like Bobby V to smarten this lazy over paid fucks up. If anyone should be booed its the Red Sox team itself. They brought this on themselves.
How many people in a row can miss the obvious point that booing Bobby Valentine is as close as the fans can get to booing the entire Sox organization and front office. It would be pretty fucking hard for 30k people to make it up to the owners box to boo the 3 stooges and their puppet Cherington, so Bobby takes the brunt. Oh, and it helps that hes a complete asshole who hasn’t made a good managerial decision all year.
Spot on mannyspooptowel. Valentine is management’s guy (management being everyone in the front office except Cherrington), therefore any frustration towards the front office is going to be directed at him. On a side note, they are really fortunate that last night’s game got rained out. Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be for the Sox brass to have Tito in the broadcast booth with 37,000 people chanting his name? Woulda been like in Gladiator when the people are chanting for Maximus and and Commodus is trying to quiet them down.
yep, you have a clueless owner, a lameduck GM cuz you know who the real puppetmaster is. A manager who hasn’t managed in the big leagues for ten years and none of the so called veteran players respect cuz he doesn’t know how it’s done in the US and hurts their feelings. Meanwhile the architect of this all is sitting pretty in Chi Town being fawned over like the second coming of the Messiah after sending damaged goods in exchange for his transfer..to paraphrase a once famous dead Brit..’something is rotten in the state of Denmark’..thank God for the Boston winter teams playing at the Garden..
If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem. And Bobby Valentine certainly isn’t the solution.
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