Politics thread

[DC]

good little artice and chart that does not blame one side but also backs up much of what midd said..

LMAO at MCA blaming dems for split government.. yeah only 1 party has tried to use momentum from negative reaction to other party through history ... give me a fuckin break..

i'll be waitng for 2016 when Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels get us back on track.. until then give me Obama over nuts like Bachman and the t party fools.

http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2011/07/2 ... -deficits/

[B Luc]

The reality is that we're in this mess right now politically because after Obama won, Dems jumped on what they saw as an opportunity to capitalize on anti-Republican in the country b/c of Bush 2. What they didn't factor in (and they never do, because this is the focus of the Democratic party) is that American's aren't robotic morons who can't form an original thought.

They got pissed. and that created a mid-term election winfall for Republicans.

here we are now. Partisan nonsense. Dems own fault.

Maybe so, but that's not a political tactic thats been used since...forever? On this one particular issue (debt ceiling increase), GOP and Tea party are 100% unwilling to compromise and if this doesn't get done, that's where you have to look. it's just a fact. DC is fucked in general because so much is done...or not done, rather, to protect their jobs.

Oh, and a large % of the american people are morons when it comes to voting, politics, politicians, etc. that fall for fearmongering and propoganda. There is a reason why spin guys make so much fucking money (See: Glen Beck).

Read this this morning. Interesting Opinion piece... http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/30/theriault.congress.election/index.html

EDIT: DC, I saw that chart the other day and couldn't remember where.

[rearadmiral]

More and more people are witnesses with the fallacy of Keynesian economics first hand and ral;ize that they have been lied to by liberal dominated media, a liberal dominated entertainment industry, and liberal dominated public schools and ...

So...what does movie-making have to do with this?

[lugnutz]

I thought that was accepted code for "Jewish people" for the conservatives.

[rearadmiral]

c_h should become a comedian and steal Foxworthy's act.

"If you like Hollywood-produced cinema...you might be a liberal."

[lugnutz]

Its not his fault. The conservative radio he listens to all day says "liberal media" 200000000 times a day.

[cool_hand]

More and more people are witnesses with the fallacy of Keynesian economics first hand and ral;ize that they have been lied to by liberal dominated media, a liberal dominated entertainment industry, and liberal dominated public schools and ...

So...what does movie-making have to do with this?

The entertainment industry is loaded with liberals. Bias and indoctrination are subtle. Not everything is overtly political, but we have are worldview and values shaped by cultural institutions, such as public schools, mainstream media and the entertainment industry. Most movies are not preaching partisan politics and even policy, but there are consistent liberal themes. People are just looking for a good time and dont have their defensive mechanism ups, but they are inculcated with repetitious liberal dogma.

For example, how many villains in movies are big "corporations". So many people have this strange unjustifed malevolence towards "big" coporations like Walmart. Menino should kick out law firms instead. How often the environment is deified and treated with revered superstitious and mysticism that is celebrates? How often is Catholicism and other organized chritian faiths mocked for being mystic and superstitious? How often are the bad guys rich, white old greedy men? It’s not a secret that guys like Spielberg, Cameron, and the industry is loaded with bedwetting liberals.

And its funny that people bring up talk radio because it’s the singular forum liberals could never gain control. Like people who are so upset with Fox, even though NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC tilt left of center. So threatened by any medium that doesn’t toe the line for their progressive, statist masters

[rearadmiral]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Or maybe it's because it was greedy white men, many working for large companies, that ruined this country's economy and make for convenient bad guys? You know, when it's not an Arab terrorist or black convict.

How is that the liberals of Hollywood weren't able to subconciously indoctrinate people from the '60s-'70s but it's so easy to now?

But it's more fun to blame liberal boogeymen.

[lloyd christmas]

facts are facts. what I posted is true, I'd welcome an effort to disprove it.

how'd reagan's deregulation work out? clinton and bush basically injected steroids into the financial services industry with no oversight and they still fucked themselves and all of us as a result.

good luck voting for bachman.

I would blame greenspan more than anyone, he kept rates too low for too long. People needed to take risks to chase yields.

[cool_hand]

facts are facts. what I posted is true, I'd welcome an effort to disprove it.

how'd reagan's deregulation work out? clinton and bush basically injected steroids into the financial services industry with no oversight and they still fucked themselves and all of us as a result.

good luck voting for bachman.

No those aren't facts. And you are so off based, I really dont know where to start. How about with this - it was Bill Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall. Jump from Reagan to Bush, but fail to mention the actually responsible for what you are talking about.

Reagan's economy was unprecendented. How did it work out? Fucking great. Do you know what this country looked like after consistent liberal governance that culminated in Carter.

Liberals love to focus on Wall Street. That's all they think of when someone mentions "regulations". Its telling. Its like their obsession with Wal-Mart. Regulations impact every segment of our society. Most liberals dont get this because, like Obama, they have never run a business. But they are stick with their imaginary, mythical bad men in dark corners. What I listed are facts. Obama' NOAA chief promulgated regulation that are destroying the fishing industry. His NLRB appointments arer destroying investments. Boeing built a brand new plant and is ready to hire, but they shut them down because they dont want companies building in business freindly right-to-work states. Obama's energy policies are killing thousands of jobs in the Gulf... This is the real world, not one concocted in the Harvard faculty lounge.

[midd]

facts are facts. what I posted is true, I'd welcome an effort to disprove it.

how'd reagan's deregulation work out? clinton and bush basically injected steroids into the financial services industry with no oversight and they still fucked themselves and all of us as a result.

good luck voting for bachman.

No those aren't facts. And you are so off based, I really dont know where to start. How about with this - it was Bill Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall. Jump from Reagan to Bush, but fail to mention the actually responsible for what you are talking about.

Reagan's economy was unprecendented. How did it work out? Fucking great. Do you know what this country looked like after consistent liberal governance that culminated in Carter.

Liberals love to focus on Wall Street. That's all they think of when someone mentions "regulations". Its telling. Its like their obsession with Wal-Mart. Regulations impact every segment of our society. Most liberals dont get this because, like Obama, they have never run a business. But they are stick with their imaginary, mythical bad men in dark corners. What I listed are facts. Obama' NOAA chief promulgated regulation that are destroying the fishing industry. His NLRB appointments arer destroying investments. Boeing built a brand new plant and is ready to hire, but they shut them down because they dont want companies building in business freindly right-to-work states. Obama's energy policies are killing thousands of jobs in the Gulf... This is the real world, not one concocted in the Harvard faculty lounge.

read closer, I mentioned Clinton. good bid though.

also, what does "reagan's economy was unprecendeted" mean? He punted the S&L issues and Bush took the heat and repercussions once in office. That led directly to the recession of the early 90's. Reagan's "unprecedented economy" is ridiculously overstated.

again, the two most avowed free marketeers oversaw the two largest bailouts in the country's history. I'll even throw you a bone and lay the tech boom/bust at the feet of clinton. decades of supervision light/free administrations have proven not to work. effective regulation and supervision are a course of business, no matter how much you wish they'd disappear entirely.

[B Luc]

I don't get people who are against any form of regulation when 1.) It's been proven that greed ultimately will win out over responsibility. and 2) Pretty much every well performing company has internal regulations and S&P to prevent internal fraud/theft. Oh, and there is always a chain of command.

Government regulations prevent things from getting out of hand. I'm not a fan of big government, but if I have to choose between the 2 regulation will win out 10 times out of 10 because humans, by nature, are greedy. And greed (especially with business) fosters bad decisions now that makes things terrible later. With zero oversight the bottom line will become more important than doing the job right with most companies. Quickest point from A to B.

[rearadmiral]

He's pissed at fishing regs (and might well have a point or two) so he lumps them altogether.

[MCA]

There's just as much greed in gov't and lobbying as there is in private industry Bluc. The problem isn't regulation in this country its over-regulation.


And Bluc and DC don't entirely get my point from above. I actually don't think Republicans will push a candidate I'll ever vote for in the elction, so I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for Obama again so save me with the partisan nonsense.

Obama in 18 months alienated much of the nation to the point that even WITH catching Bin Laden his approval ratings blow. That's pretty fucking hard to do. He couldn't help himself, and its his own damn fault that the Tea Party is what it is today, and the Republicans have the control that they have.

I mean it took 18 months. Not even! To do enough for Republicans to win the mid-terms.

[TeeDub]

so I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for Obama again

wait, what?