Has Bill Simmons Lost His Mind?
ESPN – My son and I have flown from California to spend the week in Boston. He is a little more than 6½ at this point. He has never set foot in Fenway Park. The time is right. He likes baseball. He likes the Red Sox. We bring my father with us. Three generations of the Simmons family taking in a Yankees-Red Sox game for the first time. We find our $1,500 seats in the lower boxes near third base. Ever since Boston won the World Series 10 years ago, I always imagined pointing to that 2004 banner and telling my little boy, “That’s the team that changed everything.”So that’s what I do. I point at the banner and tell him, “That’s the team that changed everything.”"Isn’t that the team that cheated?” he asks. We look at the 2004 banner again. I always thought that, for the rest of my life, I would look at that banner and think only good thoughts. Now, there’s a mental asterisk that won’t go away. I wish I could take a pill to shake it from my brain. I see 2004 and 2007, and think of Manny and Papi first and foremost. The modern-day Ruth and Gehrig. One of the great one-two punches in sports history. Were they cheating the whole time? Was Pedro cheating, too? That 2004 banner makes me think of these things now. I wish it didn’t, but it does. This makes me sad. This makes me profoundly sad.
I haven’t had a good Bill Simmons rant in a long time but I just couldn’t ignore his take on the Manny situation. I mean if you told me this was written by Dan Shaugnessy I wouldn’t have blinked an eye. Did Simmons really say he has a mental asterisk next to the 2004 World Series banner now? Honestly that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Now don’t get me wrong I expect Yankee fans and all the people who are jealous of Boston to say shit like that. I would too if I were them and hated a city that we couldn’t beat. That’s just what sports fans do. They look to tear down the king of the mountain with anything no matter how ridiculous it may be. Whether it be Rodney Harrison testing positive for HGH, spygate or dead spots in the Garden. You always look for something to discredit the other guy. So naturally the haters are going to cling to this Manny thing like gold even though nobody is happier about this development than Bostonians. That’s what made this article so strange. How can a guy who is supposedly the voice of the Boston Sports Fan say he has a mental asterisk next to our World Championships and he’s sad when he looks at the banners? It’s nuts. Seriously is there any other Sox fan on earth not in an insane asylum who feels this way? Nobody fucking cares whether Manny used or not. Nobody fucking cares. It doesn’t even matter to me whether Manny was the only guy on the planet who used steroids as opposed to like all of baseball. It still wouldn’t tarnish the memories. It doesn’t make anything less sweet. It doesn’t take away how I felt when Big Papi went deep or Dave Roberts stole 2nd or Curt Schilling pitched with a bloody sock. It all happened and nothing can ever change that. And how anybody can feel otherwise is simply beyond me. So while Bill Simmons may be a great writer I think it’s time for him to keep his thoughts about Boston Sports to himself because clearly his little stint in LA LA land has caused him to lose all touch with reality.
PS – Don’t bitch about ticket prices when everybody knows you haven’t paid for a ticket in the past 10 years. It’s insulting to people who still pay to go.

I have no ability to read a block of text like that.
Why do you hate your return key?
Papi and Manny…the ‘roid brothers….weird how Ortiz blows now that they test for banned substances a lot more….
well put el presidente !!, yea i’m sure his son really said isn’t that the team that cheated…
I don’t think Simmons really wrote that because there is no mention of Karate Kid or the Godfather in the whole article. What a poof, he complains about the Pepsi Green Monster when he is taking his double meat Subway subs down the long way on his podcasts.
Sivart you do realize the MLB has been testing since 2003 right? Papi put up big numbers in the years WITH testing!
“Honestly that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Now don’t get me wrong I expect Yankee fans and all the people who are jealous of Boston to say shit like that. I would too if I were them and hated a city that we couldn’t beat.”
kinda like using the “curse of the bambino” for the 85 years the red sox sucked and couldn’t win the big one. do we really care about steroids in baseball anymore? seriously, as long as they aren’t smoking crack in the dugout, who cares? People pay to see this, and pay well, they should at least get a good show…..
who the fuck cheated? name someone…..
Simmons is a faggot
I love ROIDS…More bombs please!!!
Im saying he has not been offiically charged with any kind fo steroid or HGH use (even though he took the Rx that is used to come off cycling…) and also, his size has changes how much, really very little variation. If he was using in 2004, he was using, but the fact remains only he and a few other people would know. SO everyone SPECULATING he used in 2004 is just that, SPECULATION.
I was really hoping Manny’s excuse was he just saw “Junior” and wanted try it out for himself…
Welcome to CALIFORNNNNIA!
PS I’m already annoyed at all the press, I don’t care. But I’m also realizing he probably got some fake piss or some shit to cover the weed, so he couldn’t been on anything I guess?, but why stop passign drug tests now, is it because he was off the cycle and felt fine?
This Simmons article is a joke compared to the pathetic Peter Gammons attempt to explain Manny’s mistake. The Worldwide Leader has become a joke, they blow Favre and suck any athletes junk. I can see Tim Kurkjian just trooling around the office dying for some dick meat
First off, Bill simmons is a little bitch. I think his kid is a little Bitch too. 6 1/2 and all ready a pussy like his father. Listen if you dont like what the sox did in 04 and 07 anymore, stay the fuck on the left coast. Fucking faggot.
Second, all the bitch made yankees fans are saying we stole a championship from them, and now that come back is tanted. WTF are you serious, last time I checked the series right before that in game 7 Giambi hit 2 home runs and he was the king of juice at that point. But noooo they dont wanna discuss that. Or that Clemens pitched for them in 99…. Fucking New Yorkers, they seriously are the biggest bitches in the whole planet. Listen you are the biggest city in the world, with 600 pro teams, and you cant win shit. Outside of that lucky win vs the Pats, what have they won this mileniom. Hey NY go eat a dick!!!
Fuck Manny, Fuck NY Fuck Bill Simmons and Fuck Bill simmons little prick of a kid. Yeah What, Bean Babby, represent!
“I always imagined pointing to that 2004 banner and telling my little boy, “That’s the team that changed everything.”So that’s what I do. I point at the banner and tell him, “That’s the team that changed everything.” Then I look over and he’s sleeping, because he’s 6 1/2, and he’s got mustard on his face, and his sports bar melted in his lap, and his grandfather’s drunk, with peanut shells all over his lap, and he’s staring at the lady in the next row’s thong, and someone’s fart is clinging on the breeze, because someone’s fart is always clinging on the breeze.
Couldn’t agree more Pres… just read the whole article and threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Simmons is aware that the 2004 world series was four and a half years ago, right? A positive test in 2009 means jack shit towards that ring, or the 2007 banner for that matter. Show me a positive test result from 2004 or 2007 and then I’ll think about a ‘mental asterisk.’
Fact is, we’ll look back on the whole era as juiced up… and yes, that includes the so called ‘yankee dynasty’ in the 90′s. It is what it is, deal with it.
Beantown-titletown: Relax dude. This was written in “2014″. You need to go back and read the whole article not just the clip.
Dude, people take drugs for everything. This is 2009. Nobody is clean anymore. Get over it and enjoy the game. As McGuire said in the simpsons…
“Do you want to know the horrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock some dingers?”
I want to see roided up dudes hitting 600ft dingers when I watch baseball.
As EP would say, thats what puts asses in the seats.
El Pres sounds like hes in denial…wait til Papi catches a suspension ….04*-07* get used to it
he also impugns guys like mueller and bellhorn…huh? what evidence is there that these guys took roids? mueller was contstantly battling knee injuries throughout his career and bellhorn…..well, if you take steroids and STILL strike out 100+ times…its not the juice that got you to the bigs.
simmons is a whiny bitch.
so whose feeling confident about tonight playing in the RBC center again…
let’s not kid ourselves, this whole era, from 1990-whenever they use the olympics testing, deserves an asteric. I feel bad to the 60% of the players that were/are clean and i feel worse for the hundreds of kids that didn’t make it because their roster spot was taken by a cheater.
Your mother is
You know he does pay for his tickets still. That’s his whole thing.
Of course he gets to write it as a business expense though…
Ronmexico,
I still hate you, but in the nicest way possible.
Bruins gotta bring the heat (bad choice of words for hockey) and get physical.
TFB,
“Dingers!!!”
What a great episode too, foil hats, FANTASTIC
Simmons is usually pretty funny, but this article sucked. Why would you have a mental * next to 04? Do you think Manny was the only player on the field during those playoffs that used roids? I don’t think so. I’m sure every team we faced had players using roids. I’m already sick of this story b/c ESPN loves beating these stories to the ground instead of highlights of actual games on sportscenter, which I thought was the main purpose of the show.
Wait a sec….Bill Simmons couldn’t have written that… tell me thats only an excert from his article because that’s about 10,000 words short from his average article. I haven’t read one of his articles in years for the main fact that I can’t get through two minutes of his articles that are the size of the dictionary.
Who wants to bet him and his dad used their cell phones to talk to eachother during the game …”So I call my pops….and say ‘are you watching this!!?!?!’”
“It doesn’t even matter to me whether Manny was the only guy on the planet who used steroids as opposed to like all of baseball. It still wouldn’t tarnish the memories. It doesn’t make anything less sweet.”
- elpresidente
Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. Tell yourselves what you want. The truth is that you don’t have a title less than 80 years old that is tainted. Simmons is dead on. The Sox’ white dress now has poop all over it, and the A-Roid shirts are officially useless. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.
“isn’t tainted.”
i normally enjoy simmons’ long articles as they get me through work, but this one was short and just odd. i normally don’t side with pres on most things but i agree simmons may have taken this manny ordeal a bit too personal. somebody call over to espn and put him on suicide watch.
Beantown-Titletown…you sound like the whiniest bitch of them all. Relax. It’s an article.
“Nobody fucking cares whether Manny used or not. Nobody fucking cares. It doesn’t even matter to me whether Manny was the only guy on the planet who used steroids as opposed to like all of baseball. It still wouldn’t tarnish the memories.”
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Amusing take, given it took you about 5 minutes to start trying to sell “A-Roid” t-shirts. Either you’re a hypocrite or a douche.
I’m actually wagering on both.
Wait.
He was talking about this Sox/Yanks game at Fenway, so a couple weeks ago, before the Manny Ramiroid thing came out. Either he knew stuff we didnt, and his 6 year old son did too, or he is a fraud. I am going with the latter.
I never liked this guy, not even back in college when everyone busted a nut for the Sports Guy.
Simmons is a chode.
I have a mental * about 04 too. But mine reminds me to call my old college buddies from NY and ask them if they want to sell me a Kevin Brown jersey.
Eagle1
if that is the case then the yanks should have asterisks next to the 98, 99, and 00 WS titles since the roid brothers pettite, clemens, and even CANSECO were on the teams.
Every team probably had at least 5 steroid guys so it doesn’t really matter…. no wonder that team in 04′ was so crazy 25 guys on roids at the same time…holy shit.
oh yea grimsley too.
New York Sports Jerk
STFU…Jealous cause you cannot sell out a stadium paid for by tax dollars? I love how a New York guy is calling someone a douche. your whole tri-state area invented the douche.
Stallsworths:
Fine by me. At least now the illusion that Boston did it the right way is over and done with. Sooner or later, it will be made public that Papi’s name is on the same list that A-Rod’s was on, and what few doubters and apologists that currently remain will keep quiet.
are you guys retahded or something? the simmons article was written as if it were 2014. and he’s got valid points. manny busted for roids, manny won 2 championships here. ortiz sucks now that testing is tough.
i know us stoolies are stupid, but c’mon, learn to read.
i have my concerns about papi, sure, but until he is outed by another hack reporter trying to sell a couple books i assume nothing.
heyhowrya:
that shows how much people actually care to read his articles…we just read the excerpt here…cause he is, in fact, a chode. and if you are referring to the fact that he said, “Ever since Boston won the World Series 10 years ago.” i just thought he was trying to be cool and whitty.
You have a valid point, but he still displays chode-like qualities
Seriously. Does anyone really give a shit? It’s not like every major player wasn’t roiding (with the exception of Griffey, as he was in Cincinnati the whole steroid era and couldn’t have cared enough to have juiced). Let’s just test more seriously and move on with our lives. And of course, burn Selig in effigy.
Who has bitch tits now? Boston’s former hero
Did you even read the article el pres? The entire piece is basically on how EVERYONE in the gamne cheated, and even if some Sox go down as having used, everyone else did too so the playing field was even.
It’s not at all a piece about him being ashamed of the Sox, it’s more about him inevitably explaining to his kid that everyone cheated in baseball. You should try to read the entire article before you blow things out of proportion. I know you’d want Simmons to do the same.
How dumb are you guys learn how to read a fuckin article, oh and learn how to stop fucking cheating thats all you bostonians do.
I am all for Steroids. Who fucking cares? I think all pro athletes should be able to juice. They should NOT however, be allowed to complain later in life for the complications said steroids may cause. I’d rather see everyone totally juiced up, killing the ball, ripping RB’s heads off on tackles, dunking so hard their ulna’s compound fracture.
It would make for very compelling tv.
I really just don’t care if they do, sanctity of the game my ass.
I’m no fan of Simmons, but I give the guy credit. He’s as big of a Sox fan as there is. For him to admit that the Sox rings are tainted, and to do so quickly to boot, must be just as hard as a father coming to terms with the fact that his son is gay.
Don’t care, don’t care and don’t care.
BUT – does anyone ever have any pictures of the Sports Gal? I just have this mental image that she is a tank. Bill Simmons is a little dude with a whiny voice. That kind of guy always has that real fat bossy wife and I bet he is no exception.
Any pictures out there of her? He is really keeping her under the camo tent.
this is so funny…i love how the 04 red sox are “tainted now”….why dont u all jus take a look back at the rosters of the world series winners in the last 10 years and tell me u dont see 1 name that you dont think did steroids
on each team
All i have to say in response to Boston being title town:
Yankees – 26 rings in 47 playoff appearances
Red Sox – 7 rings in 19 playoff appearances (your team is 10 years older than ours)
Add in your 17 Celtic rings and it’s still 26-24
Your Pats needed 6 SB appearances to get 3 rings and the Giants only needed 4 to their 3
Another note: if the Yankees get healthy and somehow get their shit together and win the world series this year you wont even be the team of this decade
So far out of 9 years this decade the yankees have 1 World Series ring, 3 World Series appearances, 4 ALCS appearances (3 wins, 1 really shitty loss) and 8 playoff appearances.
look out Red Sox, the yankees are going to take your “team of the decade” crown away from you too
one more thing,
NYC = Capital of the world
Boston = some podunk city where people who live an hour outside of it still say their from Boston
Anybody who thinks that 2004 and 2007 are now tainted will also have to admit that all those AL East Championships the Yanks have won with ARod are tainted too…
Awesome post Jcorn…I can just see you sweating from all that research and feverish typing from here…
Another Simmons article about his dad and son. YAWN. He should stick to just writing mailbags.
No research, just work with a HUGE red sox fan who loves to throw Boston in my face so i’m pretty much always ready with those stats. I asked him why he doesn’t move out of New York and work in Boston…his answer…because Boston sucks:)
Hold on a sec Mush, so you’re saying that unlike you, Simmons isn’t a Homer? Just because a writer (or any person for that matter) is a fan of a team doesn’t mean they have to be a huge Homer like yourself and refuse to levy criticism. Pretty close-minded. Papi and Manny both cheated, no question.
A couple of weeks ago Simmons wrote a great piece about how the demise of newspapers led to the Celtics pulling off the cover-up of Garnett’s knee injury, and how not a single media person was able to figure out the extent of Garnett’s injury: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons%2F090416&sportCat=nba
Best quote from the story: “For the past few years, as newspapers got slowly crushed by myriad factors, a phalanx of top writers and editors fled for the greener pastures of the Internet. The quality of nearly every paper suffered, as did morale. Just two weeks ago, reports surfaced that the New York Times Company (which owns the Globe) was demanding $20 million in union concessions or it’d shut down the Globe completely. I grew up dreaming of writing a sports column for the Globe; now the paper might be gone before I turn 40. It’s inconceivable. But this Garnett story, and how it was (and wasn’t) covered, reminds me of “The Wire,” which laid out a blueprint in Season 5 for the death of newspapers without us fully realizing it. The season revolved around the Baltimore Sun and its inability (because of budget cuts and an inexperienced staff) to cover the city’s decaying infrastructure. The lesson was inherent: We need to start caring about the decline of newspapers, because, really, all hell is going to break loose if we don’t have reporters breaking stories, sniffing out corruption, seeing through smoke and mirrors and everything else. That was how Season 5 played out, and that’s why “Wire” creator David Simon is a genius. He saw everything coming before anyone else did.”
JCorninmyshit if Boston sucks so bad why are you so jealous of us that come here to post?
Envy sucks and lol at thinking the Yankees have a shot at the World Series this year.
Fucking New Yorkers, they seriously are the biggest bitches in the whole planet. Listen you are the biggest city in the world, with 600 pro teams, and you cant win shit. Outside of that lucky win vs the Pats, what have they won this mileniom. Hey NY go eat a dick!!!
==Beantown-Titletown
has it ever occurred to you that we have to compete against a crosstown team when recruiting talent? having 2 teams in the same town makes it more difficult to win a championship, jerkyboy. and what exactly is a “mileniom” anway?
CaliforniaSucks….how about: MenwhouselolSuck
That’s a better name for you.
How about a wake up showdown?
Sports Gal versus First Lady
” » JCorn81 said: { May 8, 2009 – 12:05:42 }
I asked him why he doesn’t move out of New York and work in Boston…his answer…because Boston sucks:)”
Yet you are spending time on a site that caters primarily to Boston…What does that say about you?
Hey Bill,
UR SON IS A FAG
So 2 weeks ago we played the Yanks at home, tell me again who we all thought cheated back then????? How would ur faggy ass 6 yr old know any of this even to ask this question at the time?????
Prez says it best, just start rootin 4 the Dodgers/Lakers cuz u dont know shit about Boston….clown
just that i love tits, ass, smoke shows, teacher sex scandals and “does this look like” faces. Plus the random youtube videos (so i don’t have to look anything up myself). This site is FUCKING GREAT!! and i guess i’ll deal with the occaisional “Boston sports are awesome” articles inorder to enjoy the former.
no need to make fun of kids. you’re better than that, Spanish.
FYI I read the entire article. His point is still that the titles are tainted in his mind despite everything. That’s crazy
Yeah he has no idea what he’s talking about that’s why he writes for SI and you write on a blog…
I see his point, his point is that opposed to the yankees, who he hates, he thought that the Red Sox did it completely clean. Whether they did or not, I see nothing wrong with this article. Maybe he just has less new-found arrogance than the rest of Red Sox nation.
Dummies, his kid didn’t say anything, he 1 and 1/2 years old. He’s writing this in future tense.
Thought we could get through a day without penis envy regarding Simmons or Shaugnessy/Globe….oh well….
EP:
For all the great work you and the crew do with BSS, there is now way you wouldn’t trade places with any of them yesterday as far as salary, market reached, etc….
coach,
that comment may be the most useless comment in the history of the comment section. Thanks for the newsflash that I’d trade places with a guy who makes a gizillion more dollars then me. Good call chief.
EP…
Thanks for coming down from the mount to respond—-considering the comments on this blog/site, I feel like I have been nominated for an Oscar—and sorry if the truth is so obvious for even someone like myself….
Also, thanks for the blog about Simmons and Shaugnessy and how much you hate their writing—-some really new stuff their boss..
there—oops