Lucic Hit On Miller Likely Opens Door For QB-like Protection (More Pussificaton)
When Milan Lucic barreled into Ryan Miller Saturday night about half a second after Miller beat the bruising Bruins forward to a loose puck, I figured it was just the latest occasion in which goalie gets bundled by an opposing forward. Though it’s not a nightly occurrence, it’s certainly not an earth-shattering event when a goalie ends up on his ass courtesy of the other team. I certainly didn’t anticipate it becoming the Charge Heard ‘Round The World.
But thanks to the Montreal media & fans, Ryan Miller’s need to get “piece of shit” on the record (as well as his reported concussion*), some Buffalo media, the still-bitter Canucks, the percolating hatred for the reigning champs, and the PC-fueled disdain (i.e. pussification) that greets their physical, winning style, Looch’s goalie-splattering collision dominated the hockey world chatter for the last few days. Before Miller had even finished his two-handed swing at Lucic’s knees, NBC’s constantly questioning ProHockeyTalk.com wondered if Lucic should get a vacation courtesy of Shanny Tours. Again, for a two-minute minor charging penalty on a play that happens here and there in the NHL. The last few times it happened didn’t result in this sort of handwringing. In fact, there was none when Brian Gionta concussed Toronto’s starter James Reimer a few weeks ago in a clear-cut case of goaltender interference. You could even argue Gionta’s hit was worse because a goalie is supposed to be (somewhat) protected in his own crease. Certainly many former players and hockey lifers (scroll down for Rick Bowness quotes) feel this way.
Never have I heard calls for a suspension simply for a goalie getting checked and contrary to what you read, it’s not a burgeoning NHL problem. So the whole “that’s the kind of hit they’re trying to get rid of” is bullshit. The offending team is usually dealt with immediately. But in this case, the Buffalo Sabres found their inner-Catherine Tramell and flashed their collective boxes for the world to see by not doing a fucking thing. Not in the immediate aftermath or during the rest of the game. And what happened? The Bs won handily because Buffalo got scared.
A lot of people around hockey, particularly the many pacifist hockey writers who know better than the players what’s good for the game, seem to forget that it’s a game of game of hard contact, emotion, skill, and, yes, physical intimidation. Lucic gave the Sabres the ultimate dare—he steamrolled their fucking goalie halfway to Somerville—and their response was to flinch. Advantage, Bruins. I certainly don’t advocate it as a game strategy but in that particular moment, at that particular time, it worked. Goalie hit, team shrinks, game won.
Rest assured, if this had been Joe Pavelski leveling Dan Ellis, nobody would give two shits about it and there’d be little talk of goalie protection. Alas, it wasn’t. It was a bruising winger on the Stanley Cup champions, a team that is absolutely abhorred in at least two major Canadian markets on either coast (or close to it), crashing into one of the league’s star goalies (though he’s been far from it this year). So when guys like Dave Stubbs, who I’m convinced sleeps in a P.K. Subban shirt, get on their Montreal soapbox, it reverberates around the league and gets talked about more than it needed to be.
But he’s just among the many who, rather than accept this as the sporadic event it was, would rather work themselves into a lather about the “protected” Bruins and make their game stories read like “Game of Thrones” teleplays for dramatic effect. Jay from “Knocked Up” says “black and gold is carte blanche for manslaughter”. Um, ok. I guess.
So what’s gonna happen now? I don’t know whether goalie safety was already on the agenda for the recent GM meetings. But Lucic’s hit placed it right at the top. Chiarelli noted that several GMs felt his player should have been suspended for the hit. So there are discussions about how to handle this going forward. Over the next season or two, I think you’re going to see goalies be afforded the same protection the NFL gives its QBs (i.e. make them untouchable). And Shanahan calling Lucic to the carpet is the first sign of that. Shanny likely had no intention of suspending Lucic when he called for the meeting—after all, where is the precedent? But just by bringing Lucic in and in his subsequent quotes, he serves notice to the rest of the league, in essence, that Lucic’s hit on Miller is the precedent and if somebody does that, or worse, to a goalie again, they’re gone. Credit Shanahan for splitting the difference by making an example of Lucic without actual discipline (and really, what would be the basis for supplemental discipline here?). Now players know: you bundle the goalie, Shanny’s calling.
*—Miller continued to play after the Lucic hit and was never taken to the ‘Quiet Room’ like suspected concussion victims are supposed to (leading one to conclude the Buffalo trainer did not suspect he was concussed at that time). He was also hit again later in the game when Ville Leino rode Tyler Seguin into the net.

face it, if this happened to Thomas, you yahoos would be screaming for whoever did it to be thrown out of the league. id rather 20 more Sandusky sex stories than more talk about this stupid hit
I don’t think there should be any suspensions, but a Sabres player should have been waiting for Lucic coming out of the box and destroyed him even if he didn’t want to fight. That is the hockey way of dealing with hits like this.
this kind of thing happens to Thomas all the time…he got manhandled in the playoffs last season…and instead of complaining and whining the Bruins won the cup…also, goalie out of the crease is fair game as far as I’m concerned…fuckers have more padding than any other player and Lucic didn’t even get him in the head…the hits on Horton and Savard were 100X worse than this little dust up…there was no intent to injure it was Lucic saying to Miller “stay in your fucking crease where you belong”
and the pussification of america continues….
The difference is that Timmy the Tank would bust someone up after something like that, and then Thornton would tear the next Sabre he saw to shreds.
jackofspades – you must not have played hockey. The goalie is not fair game. I have gotten plenty of penalties over the year for hitting the goalie and have gotten in a few fights as well because of it. It happens but there will be repercussions for doing it. No one should be suspended, but like I said before Lucic should be disciplined by one of the Sabres teammates. The goalie is not out to hit you so that is why they are not fair game. Watch the hit, he extends his arms through it. Don’t tell me he just ran into him. I don’t care about either team, but I am just coming from a hockey viewer stand point.
dudebro…exactly…how many times last playoffs did we see Thomas taking baseball swings with his stick at guys knees who would skate through the box and clip him
Pokey Reese your a fucking idiot. Don’t comment if you have no clue what what you are talking about. Im glad you would rather read about little boy raping than sports, says alot about you. Pussy
I don’t undertand. The goalie is out of the box and chasing the puck. Isn’t he free game? If he doesn’t want to get hit, he should stay in the little blue area.
olsonmr…in their crease I agree…they leave the crease they are just like every other skater…was it charging? yeah it was charging…but that’s all it was…and I didn’t say he didn’t try to hit him, of course he did and he should have…goalies want to leave their crease to play the puck they should expect to get fucking clobbered
spades – It is ok that you feel that way, but those aren’t the rules of the game. If roles were reversed and lucic went for puck and Miller tried to take Lucic out he should get penalty as well because goalies aren’t allowed to try to hit players either.
well if those aren’t the rules why was Lucic only given a charging call?? if hitting the goaltender is illegal in all instances shouldn’t he have gotten a game misconduct? but he didn’t…not like the refs thought he didn’t really hit him, they all saw it…so why wasn’t this rule about not being allowed to hit the goalie enforced?
aren’t = are
and goalies aren’t allowed to hit players?? didn’t Thomas just level somebody a few games ago and not get a penalty?? if these are rules they sure as shit aren’t written down anywhere
That Gionta hit wasnt even close to as bad as Lucic’s hit on Miller. Gionta was trying to play the puck and go hard to the net, and Lucic extended his arms and intentionally leveled Miller.
That Gionta hit wasnt even close to as bad as Lucic’s hit on Miller. Gionta was trying to play the puck and go hard to the net, and Lucic extended his arms and intentionally leveled Miller.
To be fair goalies are afforded WAY more protection than NFL QB’s. Everytime they snap the ball they have at the very least 3 290 pound dudes doing everything within their power to rip their head off. So the NFL QB example really makes zero sense.
Yeah but Gionta was in the crease, as was the goalie. Lucic should have been penalized, and he was. He absolutely hit Miller, but Buffalo, being a big group of pussies, collectively turtled. Lindy Ruff is one of the biggest whine-bags in hockey. And now Miller is joining him.
27.7 Participating in the Play Over the Center Red Line – If a goalkeeper participates in the play in any manner (intentionally plays the puck or checks an opponent) when he is beyond the center red line, a minor penalty shall be imposed upon him. The position of the puck is the determining factor for the application of this rule.
Also, I am not saying what I think is right or wrong, just stating what the rules currently are.
A sabre destroy Lucic lol Lucic not wanting to fight? haha olson wtf
so wait…does that rule mean that the goalie can’t participate in the play if the goalie has skated past the center line or if the puck handler is beyond the center line? because if it’s the latter that rule seems to say that Miller coming out to play the puck is a penalty
“(intentionally plays the puck…) a minor penalty shall be imposed on him”
That’s the CENTER red line, that rule doesn’t apply here at all. You can’t play with 7 skaters either, should we bring that in for discussion?
He did not deserve to be suspended but the next time the Sabres play the Bruins I fully expect them to call up some goons from the Laval Chiefs and there to be a line brawl to start the game. The Sabres are a bunch of pussies for letting their goalie ran over and doing nothing. The five guys on the ice should’ve dropped their shit and jumped Lucic.. end of story. After that the issue is resolved and the Sabres don’t have to hold closed door meetings for the players because they are a bunch of tampons on skates.
yeah that rule is only if the goalie is on the other side of the ice…not when it’s on his side of the rink…that rule just says the goalie cannot cross the center line and get involved in the play…why the goalie would ever do that I have no idea
Paul Gaustad, 6’4 229 was out on the ice and didn’t do a god damn thing. That’s embarrassing.
How did I know olsonmr was gonna reference the rule book at some point… “chapter 7, page 137, rule 44.1.8, a player shall not……..”
Hey Rear Admiral, keep your hockey bias comments for you, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Comparing that intentionnel hit to Gionta’s accidental hit is as stoopid as comparing apples and oranges.
Go back to football and leave hockey for the smart ones.
Hey habs, why is contact initiated solely by the forward INSIDE the crease that much different than contact initiated by two players outside of it? If you could elaborate on that it’d be great.
Lucic would dismantle any player on the sabres. Fact.
“I know for a fact if Milan had intended on hitting Miller, he would have never got up” -Claude Julien
Here you go -
According to the NHL rulebook, goalies are protected and not subject to being checked even when out of the net. See the following from the NHL rules
Table 18 – Rule 69 – Interference on the Goalkeeper
Interference on the Goalkeeper Situations
7. CONTACT WITH THE GOALKEEPER.
A. An attacking player initiates contact with the goalkeeper, inside or outside the goal crease, in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty (e.g. “runs” the goalkeeper). Appropriate penalty (Minor and/or Major and a Game Misconduct) and subject to additional sanctions as appropriate, pursuant to Rule 33A – Supplementary Discipline.
Was a pretty bad hockey play…he lined him up and could have avoided him or minimized it. But it’s much like the knuckle-draggers who love to see Tom Brady throwing the ball on first down 45 yards into the end zone with less than two minutes left in the game when the Pats are up by 28 points…senseless, and bound to piss the rest of the world off but something for the fantasy / “Oh yeah that was a big hit!” crowd.
Lucic is a good screen, an empty net sniper that feasts on garbage goals and little else. It would be good to see him actually play the rest of the game sometime. Heading toward becoming a not too classy of a player.
I love how a guy named ‘habs’ is criticizing RA for bias
“in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty (e.g. “runs” the goalkeeper). Appropriate penalty (Minor and/or Major and a Game Misconduct) and subject to additional sanctions as appropriate, pursuant to Rule 33A”
that doesn’t mean you can’t hit the goalie…only if the hit would normally be a penalty…if the hit wouldn’t “otherwise warrant a penalty” you can hit the goalie all you want…just make sure it’s a legal hit…in this case it wasn’t it was charging and it was called
hahaha miller is a pussy
Pokey, you’re flat wrong–Thomas gets hit or interfered with outside the crease all the time. Usually it is because he comes too far out, and we all accept it as the risk of his aggressive goal-tending style. Oh, and penalties are rarely called. There are no witch hunts; we move on.
That being said, as others have said, it was probably a penalty but no more than that. Here is the operative rule:
69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease – If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.
So, if Lucic had made some effort to avoid the hit, or it was simply unavoidable, then there should have been no penalty. But the replays show that Lucic went straight in, after making a pretty bad touch, which is the international symbol for “I am going to level someone now.” A for effort. D for timing (F because it as the goalie). But it was otherwise a clean hit. No blind side. No head shot. No elbow. No leaving feet.
The fact is, even if miller wasn’t a goalie, it was interference and a hit to the head and a suspension would be handed out.
as a goalie who’s been hit like that and taken a concussion for it I’d absolutely come out and say he was a piece of shit. i’m goalie biased but i think it was a bullshit play
It wasn’t a hit to the head at all. Try again.
It wasn’t a hit to the head because he didn’t have time to get his hands all the way up, if you look again you can see his arms clearly rising up towards millers face. He didn’t hit him however his intent was there I mean come one were talking about Milan Lucic here the guy isn’t exactly known to be the cleanest player. As for Gionta the goalie was in his crease which makes it a completely different situation he deserved a suspension. I am a Sabres fan from Buffalo and I don’t believe he (Lucic) should get suspended I’m more disappointed in our squad not doing anything about it but Lucic is a scumbag so I’ve come to expect this kind of play from him and believe me Gaustad, McCormick and Kaleta are gunna remember this next time they play.
And Miller was intending to hit Lucic in the kneecap with his stick after the fact. Let’s call it even.
I played goalie for 18 years…you come out of the net, you are fair game, and can expect a collision. I was always down for a collision, because 1. with all those pads you really don’t feel shit, and 2. I loved watchin my boys kick the shit out of whoever ran into me, which is always fun to watch. That being said, there is a difference between a collision and a bullshit cheap ass hit like the one Lucic delivered to Miller. I hate the Bruins and the Sabres equally, so don’t think I am biased here. It is just blatantly obvious that that piece of shit Lucic was trying to hurt Miller. Bruins players are cheap douche bags, I get that….If Lucic had just settled for a body to body collision and hadn’t wound up and tried to knock Millers head off, then no one would be talking about this. So blame your piece of shit player for all the drama, not Miller or the media.
Let us not forget that a Bruin got bit last year during the playoffs. No suspension for that. And us Bruin fans would be upset if Thomas got hit like that but Lucic, Chara, Thornton and half of the team would bundle the guy that hit him, unlike the Sabres.