Should We Be Worried About Papelbon?
Jonathan Papelbon pitched the 9th last night and picked up his 22nd Save. At just over halfway through the season, that puts him on a pace to break his personal best of 41 in season. His ERA is 1.89 which is almost half a run better than last year. He’s thrown almost half as many innings as he did last year (37 to 69) and his Hits per 9 are almost identical (7.8 to 7.5). So you could make a case that he’s just doing what he’s been doing for the last 3 1/2 years and everything is just dandy. But something isn’t right, last night being a prime example. He got the Save alright, but not without one of those 30-pitch tightrope walks he’s had so many of this year. Coming in with a 2-run cushion, he gave up a run and had the tieing run in scoring position. He had Orlando Cabrera 0-2, almost put a tailing fastball into his sternum, but still gave up an opposite field hit when OC dove out across the plate, which was unimaginable last year. But the biggest single difference with Papelbon has been the Walks. Last year he gave up 1.0 BB per 9. The two seasons before averaged out to about 2.0/9. This year the number is up to 4.1 and last night he walked another. As a result his WHIP is 1.324, almost double what it was in 2006-07.
So it begs the question: Should we be worried? Or if we are, would we just be taking his 3-year level of dominance for granted? Because honestly, how many closers ever put together streaks like Papelbon has? Certainly no one on the Red Sox. We’ve talked before about how the Sox haven’t been able to replace Nomar at short in 300 attempts over five years. But how many times have they been able to get even two straight decent years out of a closer? They spent dump trucks full of money on Keith Foulke in ’04 and he delivered big time. But then he succumbed to a combination of injury, drug testing and general douchebaggery and was never the same. Derek Lowe was lights out in 2000 (42 SVs), but reverted to form the next year and by September they were converting him back into a starter. In ’98, Tom Gordon put together arguably the most dominant season a Red Sox closer has ever had. But then Stephen King wrote a book about him and they both ended up in the hospital. I could go on but without looking it up, you’d probably have to go back to Dick Radatz in the early 60′s to find anyone who’s had two consecutive good seasons at the back of the Sox bullpen.
That’s the bottom line to me. Papelbon might not be as dominant this year as he’s been before, but that’s because very few closers ever have. We might be seeing a slight dropoff in his numbers, but that’s only natural. It’s what happens with virtually all of these guys. Papelbon is like a guy who hit .350 for three years and when he hits .340 people wonder what’s wrong with him. The question isn’t is he as good as he’s been before, it’s is he still one of the best in the game and to me the answer is absolutely.
But how concerned is everybody else, with “1″ being “Not the slightest” and “10″ being “All out panic.”




Jerry is the only really smart writer on here, so we’re gonna assume that he knows the difference between a 2 run “cushing” and a 2 run “cushion”…carry on
No reason to be worried, even with this being an “off” year his numbers stack up favorably to the best closers.
Not concerned yet, I think you make a great point in that we have just become used to Papelbon dominating every inning he is brought into.
With that said, I am a big fan of how Theo has built up the farm system; we have been able to grow reasonably cheap talent. I am hoping that Bard will be a strong closer like Papelbon, and we can let the Yankees or some other team over pay for Papelbon.
I had to stop reading. What language is this written in?
I’m just happy the man started breaking these up into paragraphs. I’ll take the typos.
two words: Mariona Rivera. Oh yeah, and he only throws ONE pitch. sorry, but you have to admit he’s been the man for the past decade.
Two words: Daniel Bard. He’s no Craig Hansen, he’s the real mccoy.
Paps has been complaining about his contract since he was a rookie. He doesn’t miss as many bats anymore. His location has been off this year. His splitter never developed to be a consistent second out pitch. For the life of me I don’t understand why people swing at high ched even if there is hair on it when it’s at their eyeballs.
That said, I think he’s fine for this year and next. But still a douche bag of epic proportions.
I like Papsmear but Sox have plenty of good young arms that could be closers in the near future for us.
Trade Paplebon after the season while his value is high and before he needs a big pay increase
Pap is starting to throw different pitches as his fastball isn’t totally unhittable anymore. He still has good (and sometimes great) stuff but he is starting to throw splitters and occaisionally other stuff. He hasn’t mastered these pitches yet and his accuracy will come with time.
TontyTwoToes = Dennis Eckersley
Whats concerning is his cigar choice..Pff Aurtero Fuente’s…”strathmore stock 50wt, garbage.”
Agent47, even MariANO Rivera has had off years like this. Pap has basically been throwing one pitch for a few years.
The other thing Jerry is that the .350 vs. .340 analagy is giving him too much credit. His career WHIP is .99 and so far this year it’s 1.37. No it’s obviously not Todd Jones-esque, but it’s troubling. .096 with runners in scoring position is keeping the ERA down.
To me, Paplebon is the classic case of “love having him on the home team, but is undeniably a total douchebag”. The guy is a tool. Grabbing 40 saves a season for the Sox, doesn’t change that. I’ll take the 40 saves, but doesn’t mean I can’t call a douchebag a douchebag.
Shit what happen to Eats at his Desk? Hope he didnt take my advice was jsut a shitty joke.
Anyone else see just how fucking perplexed Carbrera was by Wakefield last night?
Him going back to the dugout and pantomiming a Wakefield pitch was hilarious.
And before the spelling police show up – Cabrera
‘borrowing’ ideas from simmons?
Pap used to do alot of blow at Miss st. May still do it….im not a pitcher, but a coke habit could lead to loss of command.
Fans are on drugs, reason to be concerned? Not many teams out there have closers that they can rely on like Papelbon. I mean you can argue how good Rivera is, but truth be told Sox fans love when that freak starts warming up, we own him. Bottom line, you can’t do much better than Papelbon even if you think he’s a bit off.
I really don’t like how he has added himself to the list of Sox greats who would “play for New York”, it just leaves a abd taste in my mouth, like that cigar probably does
lee smith was a strikeout machine and we traded him away at the peak of his career
DrTide, I’ll take your comment with a grain of salt since you are obviously a Bama fan.
Jonathan Papelbon doesn’t care about run line bets.
jk113 hit it- he cant get by with just the fastball anymore. Omir Santos says hello!
Secondary pitches arent quite there. I’d love to see him develop a nasty changeup but probably aint happening. Slider seems inconsistent. I wouldnt worry but I wont be surprised to see more tough outings and maybe a blown save.
Don’t worry until he starts blowing saves
Jonathan Papelbon doesn’t care about run line bets.
Agreed, that was the first thing I thought about when the run scored.
Maybe he had Oak +1.5?
Come on he’s still getting it done his era is 1.89 he has 40 strikeouts in 38 innings and 22 out of 24 saves chances. His WHIP is a little high at 1.37. That being said if he has 4 clean saves chances WEEI and all the nitwit sox fans will be saying “Pap is back baby!!”
Everybody has there hickups it’s the nature of the closer’s job.
Dr.Tide I have always thought he had a little Steve Howe in him….after the sox clinched the pennent in 07″ I was saying to my wife this dude is blowin Yayo in the pen
What a weird post…
“The question isn’t is he as good as he’s been before, it’s is he still one of the best in the game and to me the answer is absolutely.”
Actually the question was “Should we be worried about Papelbon”.. and like someone pointed out, he went from a 0.77 WHIP to 0.95 to 1.36 over the past 3 years. He’s only a few hits shy of already giving up more hits and more walks this year than he did in ’06 or ’07. Those are pretty concerning numbers, far from the analogy going from .350 to .340. That’s more like .350 to sub .300.
Sure, he’s only blown 2 saves so far, but if he pitches in the 2nd half like he did in the first half, a lot of those other fluff numbers you posted could easily skyrocket. Just a 4 run inning (not out of the realm of possibility with the way he’s pitching) could shoot his ERA from 1.89 to 2.76.
Not like any of this matters, in a few years he’ll be with the Yankees, and you’ll have your tributes going to “The best closer of all time who just wanted Mariano Rivera money because he was far and away better than the rest of the league and wanted to be paid like so. It’s just Lucchino was greedy and didn’t want to pay for the greatest closer in the history of MLB”.
Quann, yeah I went to Bama, but I had some friends that used to party with Pap at State…nose like a hoover.
MachoMans Fanny Pack said: { Jul 9, 2009 – 11:07:50 }
And before the spelling police show up – Cabrera
Sorry I’m late I was grabbing a donut.
Did I miss anything?